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Re: dangereux de la donner chez rolex?

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écrit par CYR le 05 février 2004 16:44:19:

en réponse à: dangereux de la donner chez rolex? écrit par demis roussos le 05 février 2004 16:12:10:

Si le vendeur n'est pas prêt à prendre le risque d'une expertise c'est mal parti.On achète autant le vendeur que la montre.

Si la montre a tjrs appartenue à des propiètaires français Rolex france peu surement te donner l'historique des services (sf s'ils ont eu lieu hors réseau bien sur),Rolex genève doit te confirmer que le sérial est bien pour une 1665 et que le sérial Comex est cohérent.
Mais l'histoire du verre m'ennuie qd même bcp.

Une petite histoire

""""One slight benefit of my enforced absence has been the fact that I have had a lot of time to think about the watch business & where I see it going. I have to say I am more than a little disillusioned and not a little downhearted.

Here in Italy, I have had the “pleasure” of seeing some of the most amazing fake (or enhanced) watches that I have ever seen & I wonder how long this business can continue under such pressure.

It is important to understand that watch faking has been going on for as long as watches have had brand names; there were fake Breguet watches made whilst A-L B was still alive. It is also important to understand that where there is a huge price difference between a regular watch and an exotic variation, there will always be people who will try and “create” a variation from a regular watch. Nowadays the technology is available to manufacture or alter just about any part, this means that the one remaining obstruction has gone.

I will try and explain how tough things are by discussing the manufacture & sale of one watch. Firstly our faker locates an original (and very rare) COMEX 5514 Submariner. He does not have to physically own the watch, merely to have it in his hands for 5 minutes. He notes the case number, the case back engraving & then has a friend send a fax to Rolex asking about the watch. In a short time a fax comes back from Rolex confirming that the COMEX watch was made on such a date and was sold to COMEX France on such a date. Now the faker goes out & buys a basic 5513 Sub from a similar date; the dial is removed and repainted with the COMEX symbol, the case is drilled and the gas escape valve from an early Sea Dweller is installed. The area between both lugs is polished to remove the existing numeric stamps and new numbers are put there in their place; the case back is also engraved to match the original COMEX engraving. There you have it, a $1,350 watch that has had $1,000 worth of work done to it and is now worth $12,500 to $15,000 US. The buyer has no doubts, as he has an authenticating fax; of course the purchaser does not get the original fax; he gets a Xerox; as the faker needs the original to make even more copies.

It gets even worse; there are now a number of folks who send watches to Rolex and get an authenticating letter in return. They then sell the watch with the letter, but not before scanning the letter into their computer. They then buy a non original watch & alter the numbers on the letter to match the numbers on their new watch, print off a copy of the now altered letter & sell the watch with a Xerox of the authenticating letter.

Currently the most faked watches are the Submariner variants; British Military 5513s and 5517s, COMEX 5513s and 5514s. I currently do not trust any of these watches unless I have taken them to Rolex Geneva or Rolex London for physical checking by experts. The location of the Rolex office is important, Rolex NYC or Rolex Tokyo will never have had to deal with British Military Subs, so they do not know what to be on the lookout for. I do not trust any letters or faxes from Rolex unless I am the recipient; or I know the sender and have spoken to them to confirm the details on the letter/fax are correct. Call me paranoid, but maybe I am; all I know is that a small number of people are flooding the market & thereby devaluing watches in my collection & in my stock. """"

James Dowling


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