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écrit par Nicolas le 20 octobre 2004 01:09:45:
en réponse à: Feiko suite écrit par Néo le 19 octobre 2004 23:12:54:
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>How to tell if a Seiko Diver's watch is genuine.
>A handy reference when shopping on ebay.
>Seiko makes a number of styles of diver's watches, and many vintage models exist which are no longer manufactured.
>Here I'm only interested in the popular SKX007, a full size, automatic diver's watch rates to 200m.
>A number of reported fakes have shown up on ebay, but I never found a decent web page explaining how to spot them.
>The difficulty is compounded by genuine variations of the SKX007. I'm going to try to help. Let's begin by taking a look at the two most common versions of the SKX007. The "K" version is apparently manufactured in Singapore, but the 7S26 calibre automatic movement is (most probably) made in Japan.
>At the base of the dial under the 6 position, it reads 7S26-002R R2 or something similar.
>The "J" version is made in Japan, and says so clearly on the dial at bottom left: MADE IN JAPAN. The only other obvious difference is the "J" version has "21 Jewels" written in white just above the 6 position.
>Other than that they appear identical in the photo. The Japanese version usually costs a little more, where both are available. Check prices at www.chronograph.com. Is the Japanese version better? I can't answer that. Most people agree that the quality of both versions is high.
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>Next, have a look at what must surely be a fake. The best indication is the absence of ANY lettering at the bottom of the dial.
>The Diver's 200m is written in white not orange. (not a giveaway, since some genuine Seiko models are also white)
>There are three dots, not four, between the 12 o'clock position on the bezel and the first dash mark, and the number 1 of the 10 is written differently.
>The second hand is of a different style.
>The black has suspiciouly rubbed off the bezel. (This would be really hard to accomplish with a real Seiko.)
>The lettering and markers on the dial look soft, wide, and uneven.
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>I wondered if at first it was a midsize version, the SKX013, but although the SKX013 does have the same second hand style as the fake, nothing else compares. Things that warn you the item might not be genuine: the seller doesn't show a picture of the back, doesn't give a model number, doesn't state that the watch is authentic, etc etc.
>A sure giveaway is if the calibre is said to be 7526 instead of 7S26, or the serial number is 996479.
>All the fakes seem to have been stamped with this identical serial number.
>Note that the watch does apparently have a real Seiko 7S26 movement inside, just like a genuine model.
>The case is quite well made, but not of the same standard as a genuine model.
>(This information was found at the Watch Forum, I have not handled one personally.)
>The point is that, by itself, with no genuine model for direct comparison, it is not obviously a fake. It appears to be a poorly made Seiko, even under detailed inspection.
>It seems to have been made in China and shipped worldwide at a fairly high level, meaning that some fairly reputible companies ended up distributing it.
>It was offered as an "import model" at "closeout" prices.
>It appeared in large numbers in Spring 2002, many on eBay.
>If anyone as further information, correction, pictures, etc to send me, please email.
>Citizen and Seiko Watch Forum My Homepage a no. of these 'Feikos' personally in recent times as well as following previous posts & discussions on this forum I think I would like to share a few observations of my own.
>Firstly there seems to be more than 1 source of these watches as I've seen them with diff. physical attributes.
>Some have cases made of base-metal, chromed over yet others have reasonably good quality ss cases.
> All the Feikos I've come across so far do have 4 dots between '12' & the first dash marker.
>They also have the markings at the bottom of the dial such as: MADE IN JAPAN 7S26 - 113X R 2. The minute hand is more like that of the 7002 model with the luminous 'ball' near the tip.
>Secondly, They have been fitted with hand-windable auto movements, mostly Miyota-like ones those in one instance I came across one fitted with a used Bulova ETA movt.
>Thirdly, in the case of the serial numbers on the caseback, I've come across 2 others. These being: 700418 and 542252.
>Hope this info can be added to what has already been posted & help others from being cheated. Rgds, Lee Found a couple more pics of what seems to be the same watch. The closeup shows the case to be pretty well made.
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